General hypnosis vs porn hypnosis

Are you guys into hypnosis only when it relates to porn/sex, or are you into mind control in general?

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My thread is lower down, but as I said in it, I’m actually reading a scholarly book on brainwashing as a concept developed in the 1950s in the wake of the Korean War and how it relates to literature like 1984, Brave New World, and The Manchurian Candidate. I’ve also got a book on the history of hypnosis as well, so I’m taking the concept very seriously.

For me, it’s strictly porn/my sexual fantasies. Although, even there, I fantasize about having control of the guy for more than just sex, but it’s only because the guy turns me on in the first place.

Once hypnosis or mind control is involved, my brain is pretty quick to classify whatever’s happening as porn. I doubt I could be into it ‘in general’ without seeing it through an erotic lens.

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To me hypnosis has an inherently pornographic quality since my fantasies hinge on control, domination, blanking, and dumbing down. I only like stories that focus on that first. I don’t really like the directly erotic stuff and usually stop reading after the induction scene because it just turns into sex unless the writer is creative and on my wavelength.

For me the porn aspect is just an extra piece of the pie. Thinking back when I was a kid, I was “getting off” on guys on TV or movies just being hypnotized, or possessed. I used to watch two Gothic soaps when I was 7 or 8. One was Dark Shadows… The other I believe was from Canada. I think it was called Strange Paradise. They both had a lot mind manipulation. The porn aspect came a few years later when I realized the fantasies that could come along with it

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Like insertbrackets said, hypnosis is erotic to me period, so long as it has some semblance of control over sex to it (and has a decent story and dialog), I’m good.

I will say that some porn hypnosis is decent and can scratch that sexual itch but a lot of hypnosis porno just use the hypnosis as a vehicle to get into sex and don’t really explore it as a fetish.

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What’s the distinction between sex and fetish for you? As in, what would you want to see more of?

I completely agree with you on the hypno porn we have (Film 911 being the only site I know of that regularly puts its hypnosis-specific content). A lot of it is made by people who don’t seem to understand the appeal of the kink and just use it as the “scenario” for sex the way another porn might use the classic pizza delivery.

I’d like to see hypno porn play more with obliviousness, personality changes, mixing sex with stagier stuff, and actors who can act properly hypnotized (probably the biggest reason I struggle to enjoy most of them and just use legit hypnosis with hot subjects as my actual porn.)

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I like more gimmicky things like asfr (lfreezing, physically manipulating them, and/or making them act like a humanoid-inanimate object), ordering them to do things, dumbing down or making them oblivious, character play (that isn’t too corny), mental play, etc.
As for a distinction between the two, the only word I can think of (and it’s probably not the right one) is showmanship; as in does the media in question feature the effects of hypnosis more or is it just being used as a vehicle for sex? Not to say I don’t like some sexual stuff but I just don’t want to watch a porno where the first 5 minutes is someone swinging a pocket watch in someone else’s face and then they go straight into sex.

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Five whole minutes? That’s being awfully generous compared to some videos I’ve seen! :slight_smile:

Thanks for the feedback. Even though I do written porn rather than visual, it’s good to know what the audience wants. I personally go for the “no significant changes” model of obliviousness myself, but there are always more things I can do, even within that model, to cater to readers’ fetishes. One of my much later chapters, for example, has a “statue” theme. With this feedback, I know I should play up some of the frozen/physical manipulation scenes a little more instead of the more casual talking statue I was envisioning (though that’ll probably still be there too).

So, thank you both for the feedback!

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I’m definitely into kinky hypnosis, yet I find it difficult for me to write on it WITHOUT including sex, which is something I’ve preferred to avoid in favor of kink play, but I can’t seem to involve kinky antics without getting into suck’n’fuck anymore, and when I don’t include sex in it, it almost seems boring and mundane.

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I like everything connected, or related to these types of genre, categories.
I definitely like the use of the sexual aspects, as I like reading sex stories as much or even more than watching it.
However, getting guys under your control to use for, what ever, is cool too.

I’m somewhat the same way, though I wouldn’t jack off to or enjoy a story about a guy who went to a hypnotherapist and then quit smoking, if that was all there was to it. I doubt that’s what DerekWilliams meant anyway.

The Big Thing for me is being able to change the way someone thinks or perceives things. Personality changes. I can and do jack to hypno bodybuilding stories with no sex at all (OmniTF on Tumblr refuses to write sex or sexuality into his stories, for example, and some his are favorites of mine). But even with personality change, I guess it would have to be something I sexualize in some way.

I was sure I wouldn’t be able to get into jockedguy’s jock to nerd transformation story (The New Roommate), for instance, and it didn’t get me to cum, but it was interesting. I absolutely cannot stand Republicanization transformation stories, or gay to straight stories. I’m probably not going to enjoy a story where the personality change is innocuous. INFP to INFJ, for example, or extrovert to introvert.

I’m working this out in my head as I type, forgive me for rambling and not being able to come up with an illuminating summation. :thinking:

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I tend to view hypnosis as erotic (I’ve said in another thread that I think mind control is bunk, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be sexy bunk in a porno story!).

I do enjoy mass mind control/world control stories but there needs to be some sort of a hook that is clever, or interesting or horny. Otherwise I do think it is better to limit the scope of the story so that characters can be explored. Characters make a story. There are rare exceptions with high-concept science fiction that is barely even written anymore (Larry Niven’s Ringworld immediately springs to mind). But contemporary authors rarely attempt this anymore. They understand that characters drive a story and strong characters make memorable stories.

The follow-on to that is I prefer it when the mind-controller has characterization too. Short stories that are almost entirely from the victim perspective can be great, but if they drag on for too long and become an absolute saga then failing to give the (evil?) mastermind mind controller a fleshed out character starts to show itself, and show itself - and then I’m lost. Past a certain point the sphinx-like mind-controller becomes lazy and/or boring writing and I check out of the story. Audiences LOVE VILLAINS. You’re leaving money on the table if you insist on not actually writing your villains.

I actually like when characters are changed significantly through mind control in a story, but that’s not really surprising because I tend to go for transformation stories in general. But I can certainly enjoy stories that have a much more subtle form of mind manipulation involved.

I’m pretty over straight to gay. I am seeing more and more reader feedback on twitter where the resounding opinion from gay people is that they are sick of straight to gay. I’ve never written a straight to gay story, and based on what I am seeing lately I wouldn’t start writing one now. I don’t think it’s what people are looking for.

The caveat to that though is using mind control to convince someone (or force them) out of the closet is a different beast. It’s still unethical, possibly harmful. But I tend to prefer things playing out that way in a story. Simply put: the victim was gay all along, despite possible appearance to the contrary earlier.

I never could get into stories where the mind controller is changing the victim into something they despise with the intent to abuse or harm them later. That’s not erotic to me. If the mind controller is hypnotizing someone to eat until he’s a fat slovenly pig and neither the mind controller nor the author even seems to find fat slovenly pigs appealing, well then I certainly won’t either so that’s a waste of words. I think the active kink in those instances is called “ruination” and it’s definitely not for me.

I also don’t care for stories where the mind controller is just a thief. That tends to happen a lot. Hypnotize a guy and transform him into a submissive slave… so the mind controller can steal his house. Er… nah. Not erotic. Getting robbed sucks, no thanks.

I love Twitter, but I’m clearly not plugged into this community there. Where are you finding this sort of feedback?

I still write a lot of straight-to-gay and I agree that some of it can be really bland if that’s all it’s bringing to the table. I’d love to read other perspectives on it.

Lately I’ve seen two different discussions within the AB/DL community break out discussing erotica and what people want to see in AB/DL stories. Both times straight to gay came up and was broadly panned with no one defending it or stating that they prefer this type of story.

Individual comments from people I follow outside the AB/DL community on twitter have on multiple occasions attacked “straight to gay” calling it tired. These ranged from normal people to porn stars. Unfortunately these posts cannot be searched for now because the Florida don’t say gay thing has caused there to be thousands of comments using the phrase “straight to gay” in a context that has nothing to do with erotica. However, off-hand I recall that @jockedupgeek remarked on two occasions that straight to gay erotica was not his preference and he likes seeing gay on gay.

I can very much understand the dislike for straight-to-gay, even as someone who does primarily write it. In porn, meaning video porn, I have pretty much the same kinks, with the exception of straight guys. Straight-to-gay, straightbait, straight-and-switch, gay-for-pay, all of it is just kind of a turn off. I like to see guys having fun in porn, and the straight component ruins that.

Personally, for story format, well, in this case, the characters are made up (yes, porn they are made up as well, but here they’re just words on a page, so even moreso), and by and large what I write tends to be of the magic/supertech/completely unexplained, style of things, and that means I can start with straight characters who by the end are giddily happy gay sluts.

And I can understand why people would have that same straight-aversion for text too, depends on what you’re after in a story.

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Thanks for the reply. I’m not familiar with the discussions in that particular community – from my really broad understanding of the kink, I’m not sure I see straight-to-gay adding a lot of value there.

I agree that straight-to-gay can get really tired, like any overused trope. I think authors pursuing those sorts of plots need to be careful to include a fresh take.

Yes absolutely, and for what it’s worth that wasn’t the main criticism in the AB/DL conversations. There were a few dirt common set-ups and storylines that people more roundly said they were tired of. Straight to gay was mentioned, but it wasn’t the focus of the ire.