The story ‘A Typical Day At The Tillman’s’ by AnonDog - Gay Kinky Stories has started a comment thread where the user “ex-top” complained that if you read the story carefully and do some maths, it looks like the protagonist is just 15 years of age.
I’ve shown my unhappiness with this comment in no uncertain words. After a short exchange @Feed_Your_Head has written this comment:
Excuse me, but this whole interaction is very rude. Even if the character isn’t being “written as a child,” he’s still, in the context of the story, underage (and not 17, but 14/15), and people are well within their rights to question and dislike that. “Underage” is not a subjective term–it means, at least in the United States, “under 18,” and Romeo and Juliet laws aside, full-grown adults having sex with anyone under the age of 18 is illegal. Yes, I know it’s a fantasy website that crosses FAR more taboos than that, but the issue of sex with minors is one that people are right to be passionate about–ESPECIALLY at a time when the biggest cudgel being waged against the LGBTQIA+ community is accusations of grooming and pedophilia.
Look, I know I personally come to this site to get away from all of the seriousness of the world, and I bet others do, too. Politics are frustrating, especially when you’re trying to get off, and I don’t like thinking about that kind of thing when I’m going at it. But ex-top was right to point out the underage nature of the story and raise concerns. And I think that the owner of the site–who is responsible for its content–might be a little more sensitive to the issue than rudely dismissing someone with “Good idea.”
Those are my thoughts, such as they are. Thank you for reading!
First of all, I appreciate your calm tone and please don’t take any of this personally.
You have to understand that I’m really fed up with this discussion. It comes up at least once a year. Check older forum postings to find these previous discussions.
There are several issues I have with this topic, and most of them, I’ve already explained many times before:
The US is not the center of the world. Stop applying US law to the whole world. Even if we were talking about consent, the age of consent is 16 in Germany and many other countries have similar laws. I don’t care about the - in my pov - idiotic and puritanistic laws of the USA.
There are most certainly millions of consensual sexual acts involving people under the age of 18 every single day all over the world. But you really want to ban writing and publishing stories about this? Something which is simply a fact of life and even legal in almost all places? And the same people don’t have a problem with other stories which clearly depict illegal and horrible events? One word: Hypocrisy.
Even if a story would be about non-consensual acts against a person under 18: Does it really make a difference to you whether the person abused against their will is 18 or 16? WHY? Again, hypocrisy.
The reason why this particular case and comment irked me even more than usual and made me write a rather harsh comment: The original commenter had to go the extra step to analyze the text in detail and do some maths, to even come to the conclusion that there’s a person below 18 involved. He had to actively look hard to find some offense, even though that protagonist is clearly written as being mature. That, again, reeks of hypocrisy and US-centered righteousness. Sorry to be so blunt.
The rules on these sites have been clear for ages. My personal stance on the topic is, that I don’t judge ANY kind of text and fantasy. Because I cannot curate one immoral fantasy (which these sites are full of) while condemning other ones or their authors. Also, in general, I make it a rule not to judge people for their fantasies (which - especially when it comes to sex - they didn’t choose to have), I judge people for their acts only.
Having said that, there are still rules and stories I don’t want to publish on my sites for various reasons. One of them is that I don’t want to encourage people to rape (anyone, not just minors) or give templates on how to do that. Another one is, that I despise hard and gory violence.
And finally, a third thing I just don’t want to read is how people get aroused by physical attributes that are clearly belonging to pre-puberty persons, like pre-voice break, ball-less scrotums, dry orgasms, or women with totally flat breasts etc.
(Note, however, that short, slender, and hairless bodies are all attributes you find on fully-grown men, too!)
That’s why we have the rule that all protagonists have to be “sexually mature”, meaning that their sexual organs and bodies have to be developed fully. But this is not related to any given numeric age - there are boys at the age of 13, which are already fully developed sexually, while others struggle with their voice breaking even above the age of 16.
Again, this is NOT about consent, which is what the law is all about! Only the site’s rule against realistic rape, however, prohibits any kind of story where a guardian or older person coerces a person way too young to give consent - but again, that’s a totally different issue.
But this doesn’t even apply to the story in question, because even if you assume that the son in the story is actually just 15, it’s him who’s basically raping his dad (in a totally fantastical setting, mind you!).
I hope this will suffice for some time to make people understand why the rules are what they are. I also want to remind people, that my sites are actually among the more restricted ones. Other sites like nifty, MCStories and Gay Authors are way less restrictive than I am.
Feel free to comment on this here. This is the place to voice your issues and (dis)agreements with me and the sites, not the stories’ comment section.