Discussion about rules and especially the 'underage' topic

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That was interesting to read. What this is speaking to me is that much more thought needs to be put into these laws. Disregarding personal opinions on the subject, it seems like most countries don’t have anything of total clarity to offer up- specifically talking about Adult-teen sex here, because it is universally acknowledged that kids are off limits. Look at the U.S. for example. Each state has its own laws about what is and isn’t allowed.

I find it interesting that the court was found in the wrong, but the call was given to the border agency to decide if it was obscene. Isn’t that a terrible system to operate by? There needs to be something definite, and easy to understand for every individual in the country. In that instance, they are lucky that the materials (I don’t know exactly what they were) didn’t go through someone who approved of the material. Haha I don’t know at this point. The whole thing is a complex web of problems. Interesting to try and work out, though.

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It’s very interesting that these anonymous responders were using the P word to label Pure Muscle; these people never did seem to look in the archive of stories to find the stories that have been set in high school and would not be considered as involving the P word. I feel that RobinHood, Martin and the other admins of this site have looked at the stories with an eye on the laws and regulations in mind and everything they approve is meeting their standard. I for one continue to trust them and their decision-making to avoid the controversial issues and would like those people who have a problem to really stop hiding in the shadows and state their problems like grown people.

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That took place 30 years ago. It was a different era where anything gay tended to be seen as obscene. I was not even out then because it was dangerous to be.

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So having read the rules, I wanna confirm something about a story I’ll work on in the future. I have a scene where some high school seniors in a program. Nothing sexual, just they are mind controlled. So is that acceptable to be part of the story or should I edit it out?

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It would appear there’s a 3% Patreon drop, 108 to 105, that appears to be on the same timeframe as this furor. So it would seem that there aren’t masses of people metaphorically storming out the door never to be seen again, but there are a few.

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When you enter this site, it asks if you’re over 18. To submit a story on this site, it says you have to be over 18. The people in these stories should be the same.

If it’s okay to sexualize teens, even if they’re in “late puberty,” why don’t you guys agree to lower the age restriction? Let teens see it. They’re mature enough for the site owner, right? Or do you not want to because there’s LAWS AGAINST THAT?

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I haven’t even considered the Patreon aspect of this. I will definitely have to refrain from submitting any new stories to the site and possibly also delete my old works. I enjoyed using GSS but if it’s a choice between it and one of my sources of income then I’d rather not risk it. The site has multiple 18+ rules and warnings, why was this particular one changed? Just so the site’s owner has better access to his preference of fap material because those two years (he still hasn’t made any clear statements if it’s just 2 years or more) make such a huge difference for him? Is that really worth getting people into potential legal trouble over?

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That case with Little Sister’s was interesting in that it showed that laws aren’t consistent (Imports vs stuff already in the country) and that printed fiction, even graphical, doesn’t necessarily follow the same rules as what is allowed in real life.

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Yes I thought that it was interesting, even if it was a while ago.

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It was interesting and relevant. I remember following the story and similar cases in Montreal. Back when we got our porn from magazines full of redacted passages.

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Oh boy, my two cents are really gonna sting…

I just spent about 4 hours drafting up long form rules, with examples to stop (as some poster put it) “this place turning into CYOC” for review by martin and the other mods.
It has yet to be reviewed so it might lead to nothing, and is pending more input (from martin, once he has a moment, it’s the middle of the night here, so I expect he won’t even see my message until tomorrow and then he will need to find time to review it)

So for now, some general food for thought.

my best friend as a kid started puberty aged 10, shaving at 11 has his first girlfriend aged 14~15, married 18 as soon as it was legal and would have done it sooner.

My puberty started aged 17, first shave 19, second shave 21, lost my virginity aged 31.

The age for sexual consent in different countries can range from 11, to 21, to “never unless you’re married” The current age for sexual consent in Germany is 14.
In my country it’s 17.
This age had no baring on the sexual exploration of my friends or siblings, all of whom did what they did when they felt they were ready, be it before or after this calender age designation.

Think about that for a while…
Eleven years old. consensual sex.
Twenty one years old. consensual sex.

I’m a writer first, and a porn writer second.
if you have a story with a 14 year old who is depicted as being sexually mature, then you are writing a story about a sexually mature 14 year old. This has nothing to do with peadophilia, i.e., the sexual attraction, and abuse of, prepubescent sexually undeveloped children.

If you are writing a story about an 18 year old who is depicted as not yet sexually mature, then you are writing a story about a sexually undeveloped 18 year old. You are morally obliged not to have that character taken sexual advantage off.

If I lost my virginity aged 15, and I wrote that in the autobiography of my life, would a reader be arrested and throw in jail for reading my autobiography?
It is after all a “story depicting a 15 year old having sex”, you must be a peado for reading it then yeah?

Martin’s idea of actually using the depiction of the characters sexual maturity is far far superior, and better at preventing surreptitiously p**do friendly material leaking through the net then setting a defined age ever will. After all, age is at best of times is useless anyways (different countries, different ages, and humans develop at different ages anyways)

Even more pointlessly useless if you factor in fantasy fiction:

Example 1:

“Mary wished for a handsome man, and the genie snapped it’s fingers. A strong, handsome man appeared, embracing her, she could feel his erection rub against her blouse as he held her”

The person the genie created is only a few seconds old, and therefore hasn’t reached the age of sexual consent in any real world nation. The character is simply “vaguely adult seeming” but is in fact younger then an infant child

Example 2

“The vampire awoke from her 1000 year slumber, her youthful body looked no different to that of a 11 year old child, she beckoned the helpless, would-be vampire slayer toward her, making him undress completely with her mind control as she set about stealing his seed”

Although the vampire character is 984 years safe of most country’s age of sexual consent, she is clearly depicted as having a prepubescent form and is obviously complete p**do food.

Age limit does ‘fuck all’ with either of these scenarios, except make scenario 1 “technically against the rules” which it obviously shouldn’t be, and scenario 2 “fine”, which it clearly is not fine, and it is creepy and wrong.

Putting a calendar age limit on in-story characters would do little other then interfere with coming of age stories, or impede genuine erotic writing involving sexually mature humans that happen to be “x number” of years old.

If you live in a country that cannot tell the different between peadophilia, and “reading a story featuring a sexually mature and free living human, who happens to be 17” then the problem isn’t GSS’s story approval system, it’s your country’s badly handled laws on consuming adult material and therefore NOT this website’s responsibility to accommodate for.

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Actually, that’s a good point. That part of the TOS has never changed since I took over the site from Hugh. And it doesn’t apply anymore.

I’ll change that as soon as I get around to do it. I’m not sure if I want to use any countries law as the basis for this site, because frankly there is no point. If anyone wants to sue me, he’ll do it regardless which law I’d claim to be applicable anyway. He’ll always use his own jurisdiction anyway.

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Well, for starters, the teens who would see the stories would be real teens. The teens in the stories do not really exist. You do understand the difference between reality and fiction, I hope? Most of the things happening in the stories on this site are highly illegal and immoral, like those in ultra violent video games.

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That’s exactly the point I was making earlier. You mansplainer you. (Just joking)

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It doesn’t matter if the person is involved in sexual acts or not, if he’s acting as someone who DOES actively mind control OR is mind controlled himself, the person has to fit the rules. I.e. they have to be described as sexually mature.

Even with bystanders who just witness any act of mind control but are not directly involved, I’d like to be careful.

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I’m more of a “gay-splainer”

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So far no one has cancelled his Patreon subscription (in the last couple of days). The drop is the usual “beginning of the month-drop” caused by payment of some people not getting processed in time or at all.

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I say that people have to be over 18 to use the site. I have no way to check that or prohibit underage people to use it anyway. That disclaimer at pops up when accessing the site is nothing but a fig leaf, and I’m very well aware that we have loads of underage users.

As do all the other porn sites on the net like YouPorn etc, which are WAY more problematic in my point of view.

Again, I’ve written very clearly why the decision what to allow on the site is MINE. It would be different if there were pictures and movies involved, because to even produce a picture/video of an underage person, you HAVE to get that person’s consent, and I totally agree that a person below 18 cannot consent to be used for porn.

But again, these are stories, there is no person who can consent, it’s all fictional!

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The rule has NOT been changed. If you really submitted stories yourself (which I doubt) you must have read and confirmed the rules many times already. And then you should be aware, that I’ve written this rule about two years ago. There’s even an old thread about this somewhere here in the forum.

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Yeah lmao I was using these kinds of sites when I was like, 12. It’s not very hard to get past “Are you 18?” YES NO. lol why yes I am…

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