This is a discussion moved from the comments of this story into the forum:
My stance on this topic:
Don’t you think it’s already racism in your head, if you think it’s perfectly acceptable if a white man is dominated (in whatever extreme way) by a black man, but not the other way round? Think about it: What you’re saying is, that because of the history of black people in the USA, they must be treated differently in that area.
I say: This is already racism by definition. Racism, or better, discrimination based on a common characteristic of a group of people, always means that this group is somehow treated differently. If you think that enslaving a black person is “more wrong” than a white person, then you already make a distinction that in no way is rationally warranted.
I know, especially in the US, there are many MANY cases, where people are treated differently because of their race, their gender, their sexuality, their social status… many of them conscious and purportedly meant to help or protect the minority. Same happens in Germany, if to a lesser extend.
I say: Differentiating in ANY way is already a discrimination. ALWAYS. No matter why and how.
what the fuck is this, “anti-racism is the real racism, actually,” nonsense lmao
I’m sorry that you think that my opinion is nonsense.
Anti-Racism means to NOT differentiate people based on their “race”. It does NOT mean to differentiate in a different, supposedly “good” way.
That just leads to more racism. That’s my firm believe.
Well your firm belief is nonsense.
Well, you’re free to think and write that, but it would have more substance, if you’d add some reasoning to your opinion. As it is, your statement is simply an emotional outburst.
“oh no, don’t help the oppressed, that would be oppression :’c abloo abloo”
that’s you that’s what you sound like
Hi Martin, I respect your beliefs, but I have to disagree. I think the “color-blind” rhetoric you’re espousing is well-intentioned, but it’s actually done more harm than good. When you don’t acknowledge racial difference, the ongoing historical legacy of racism, or internalized racial prejudices, you actually make it more difficult to fix the systems that are still responsible for a lot of racial disparities and injustice.
Well, I disagree, too…
What is the goal? Answer my question, what do you want to achieve?
Let’s not talk about the way to get there, but the actual way you want people to treat each other?
My answer is: It shouldn’t matter, what, how and why you are. You should be treated based only on your personality and nothing else.
To switch around discrimination into some kind of “positive” discrimination just cements the difference forever. You’ll always have the difference as a reason to treat a person differently, you’ll never really accept that the look/race/gender etc. just shouldn’t make any difference.
As a gay man I am part of a minority, too. I don’t want to be treated ANY different than a straight person. I don’t want any better treatment than a straight person. Not any protection a straight person wouldn’t get, for example. Just the same, not more, not less. My sexuality should make JUST NO DIFFERENCE.
Same with race or ANY other characteristic people abuse to define minorities, they can then think about as “The Others”. That’s the main issue: there’s “WE” and there’s “THE OTHERS”. That’s the source of all the problems.
“There are problems and the solution is to ignore them really, really loudly!”
…genius, racism and has been solved forever, you cracked the code
Not ignore them, fight them. Instead of turning them around. You just don’t get my point, I’m afraid.
And you still fail to give any real arguments. No point in this discussion that way, Mr. Anonymous.
Yeah, that’s what’s happening here, I’M the dumb one. :^)
I agree with Hypnothrill and other commenters, Martin. Yes, you can be PREJUDICED against other races–that is, form prejudgments about them–but racism is specifically used to refer to a historical system that espouses superiority of one race and the inherent “inferiority” of other races. Heck, the entire CONCEPT of “race” (as opposed to nationality or country of origin) was invented as a social construct in the 17th century (source: https://books.google.com/books?id=YMUola6pDnkC&pg=PT1217&dq=race+social+construction#v=onepage&q=race%20social%20construction&f=false). Race is not inherently biological or taxomonic; it was wholly invented as a sociopolitical/sociocultral construct. And as a result, it cannot be divorced from its social history–and the “social history” of race, as the current term is used, was largely developed to make false claims about the inherent superiority of white-phenotypic people over black individuals. So to put it bluntly, “all racism is not created equal”–because race was INVENTED to support the completely incorrect notion of whiteness as superior to all other races. That’s why claims of “it’s just reverse racism!” always ring false. Racism, like misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia/TERFdom, is/was specifically designed by the social power structure of the cis straight white male to denigrate and disenfranchise every group outside of that classification.
your arguments so far have been
"A: racism was real
B: it isn’t real now
C: in fact, being against racism is the REAL racism
D: pretending race doesn’t exist and ignoring all systemic problems and treating everyone the same from now on, on a case-by-case basis, will solve everything, there are no lingering effects of systemic racism to combat, it’s all fine,
E: everything is fine
F: I live in a dream world
G: everything is fine"
so idk if you have much of a leg to stand on here my dude
No, you didn’t get my point at all. All of B-G doesn’t represent what I’ve been writing.
Read again, this time with an open mind and no preconceptions about what you THINK I want to say.
I don’t need an open mind to read crap, thanks. You should listen to LongtimeFan though, dude clearly knows what he’s talking about.