For me its also a matter of logic. Which often ends in the idea that the people mind controlled end up in a better place then at the start.
But like I do not see any point in hypnotizing a cop and not keeping him as a cop. Destroying his life makes no sense because there is so much more use to a subby cop then a subby destroyed dude. Keep him as a cop, keep him normal day to day, and take advantage of you now owning a dude in law enforcement.
Repeat this with other things. Dude in college, isnât it better to have him graduate and then serve you in whatever career he takes. Again and again.
I also think, for me, its the fact that I want the pov to be the âdominant gay man controlling the subby straight guysâ, not the one who looses and is controlled.
I mean to each their own and all that. But yeah. I like more happier results for the dudes controlled.
Iâm wondering if the missing element that we find disturbing is the lack of insight into the motivation to do such a dastardly thing to a person. What payoff did the meanie get from this action. As Heru_Kane points out thereâs an incentive to keep someone a cop or a leader or a businessman; thereâs a reward for someone in there. So in a story where a couple is in love and theyâre turned against each other and both are transformed into complete opposites with no cosmic balance apparent weâre left thinking itâs just mean.
Now if the entity that created the mean change is known to be a malevolent being or Loki or a faeri then this becomes a cautionary tale and something is learned. Miserably but a lesson learned.
I wrote a story where a homophobic athlete injures himself and goes to a ânaturalâ healer. This healer has some sort of powers, not only healing the wound, but also âhealingâ the athleteâs sexual orientation.
Now, is this a happy ending, because we like where he ends up, or mean, because heâs become something he wasnât? The character seems happy, so I suppose thatâs something, but you knowâŚ? Mind-controlâŚ
I looked up the story. No, it wasnât meanThere was a spiritual healing. If pain is weakness leaving the body then Meanness is the manifestation of the meanness leaving as well. I thought that was a well balanced story. (another reason to look up your favourite authors other stories). I suppose the justification is up to the balance test. Does he no longer hate? If we reverse it and he becomes straight after decades of degrading and treating poor straight people like crap, would it be justified? In the two stories that come to mind, happy couples are torn apart and both end up alone; one becomes a bigoted bully-thing heâd feared, not hated and the other becomes someone invisible: a reedy nerd with bad eyes, teeth and breath. No reason. No justification. They went to bed as Lovers and equals and woke up not. No lessons learned. Whatever caused this to manifest is unknown. I suppose in my mind itâs an incomplete story rather than meanness
I just dont personally find stories that seem to relish in the suffering of the characters to be satisfying. Itâs entirely subjective of course but iâm fine with wicked characters being punished or good guys ending up happy in a perverted sort of way.
The site goes through cycles, we do seem to be in a crueller one at the moment. What we really need is more slutty himbos
I think a big factor for me in thinking about thisâI write some pretty âmeanâ stories, but I havenât published them hereâis that some people really get off on power. It could be because they used to be powerless, or theyâre scared of not having power, or whatever, but the primary manifestation of whatever trauma it is ends up being⌠a love of power.
Understanding and writing someone who loves their power and uses it even when the consequences for others are bad can be strangely captivating and even cathartic. One knows theyâd never do it in real life. At the same time, a sub might want to feel like theyâre under that sort of âabsolute powerâ. The idea of having bad things done to you is one thing, but if those bad things are hot, it becomes another thing altogether. In a way, it makes the bad thing worth it.
For my taste, I like to write bad consequences as perversely happy and arousing for those that endure them. I have a lot harder time writing bad consequences for someone that canât find any perverse thrill in those consequences at all.
Like itâs been said: Mean storytelling is a valid kink, and not feeling aroused by it is a valid kink as well.
I remember moments where Iâve been hooked to some of these stories because of the great writing and the addiction to the âmaybe if I read itâll end up betterâ lol But then my brain has suffered the consequences and Iâve felt bad for some days/weeks. Thatâs on me, though haha I should learn my limits
With some authors I already know where I am getting. With others I suspect it by the tags. Some other times itâs just a surprise.
In that sense, I was thinking that maybe a tag could help identify this type of stories, either for those who seek them or for those who donât want to get anywhere near them. They exist in other sites like AO3. Yet, I canât think of a tag name that would not spoil the âfunâ of rooting for the good ending while we donât get there haha So maybe itâs not necessary at all. The guessing already works for me most of the time, anyway.
When/if I were to write abusive or non-consensual sexual acts in stories without appropriate consequence or plausible remorse., itâd probably be â exclusively â in a kind of âof course, we understand that character was a red shirt, this isnât written to promote or condone sexual aggression, and this story is clearly fictional.â
I think â as civilised people â we have a sense for when something is meant to reflect reality, and when it is not. For instance, gunning down foot soldiers in a war game., Scores of nameless characters being brutally murdered as exposition to make a story âgritty,â grim or âadultâ as a style choice.
Something I find hypocritical â that a majority of the rest of the world doesnât seems to, is murder, violence, suffering, cruelty, torture towards âred shirtsâ seems to be automatically processed correctly by most media consumers, but not sexual abuses.
Like, heightened fictional violence and killing gets some kind of âboys will be boysâ pass: We intrinsically understand that fictional killing is tied to a kind of âchildren in the school yard playing Cowboys and Indians;â The death is not real death. However, heightened (fictional) sexual wickedness almost never gets that same pass, even when the work in question is outrageous, implausible and clearly an exercise in allegory.
Because when death happens, the victim isâŚwellâŚdead. In sexual violence, the victim has to live with the trauma the rest of their life. Itâs more impactful because while people kill for all sorts of horrid reasons, there can still be excuses such as self defense, war, etc. Sexual violence on the other hand is inexcusable. There is no rationalization of it beyond the perpetrator forcing their power over another for sick pleasure.
This is well received and I will often leave stories when they go a bridge too far. That said I have found some of these stories stupid-hot and fun.
For meâŚI am in a committed, mostly monogamous marriage. When we do play it is never apart. In these forums I get to explore my kinkier side and see what it would be like to travel down a slutty road with no real desire to seek it outside of fiction.
