Mean themed?

Is it me or are we seeing more stories with a mean undertone? Rather than finding justice or balance many of the stories seem to leave someone innocent in a lesser, more demeaned position. I find myself commenting to myself “that was just plain mean”.

I don’t want to mention titles because I don’t want to dissuade people from trying butthis week I counted four stories where someone lost their love, their relationship, their homes and fortune for nothing other than a story. No wrong was righted, no justice served.

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YES! Oh my lord yes! I so super agree. I say that sooo many times to myself as I read descriptions. Especially the ones that are like “two boyfriends…”, why harm gay dudes. So yes, I very much agree.

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It’s a valid expression of kink and it’s okay that it doesn’t connect with you.

This seems to have sparked a passion in you for a different kind of story. I would suggest thinking about what stories excite you and write them. It will be fun for you and you might find it inspires other writers to follow your ‘trend’ of plot structure, which might fix your issue that you’re seeing stories you don’t vibe with more frequently at the moment.

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Kinks vary a lot, and story structure and plots too. For mc stories, the justice or balance aspects are just one variation. It depends on the personality of the mind controller too. And sometimes, innocent handsome straight guys who get everything easy in life just makes the controller jealous and wanting to take them a notch down the privilege ladder. Sometimes the kink is just being evil for once, something we’d never want to be in real life, but fantasizing about it. Relief from frustration. Already at the root of the kink of mc is the non consensual aspect, it’s evil from the get go. We might justify it as not so bad when we remove the memories and the target doesn’t suffer, but in a way it’s still a form of abuse.

I tend towards positive endings myself but I have written a few stories here and there where some innocents suffered in some ways afterwards.

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I totally agree, the site seems to go through phases, you get times where people end up happy and then you get an influx of cruel and mean spirited ones, it’s like the tide :rofl:

i’m definitely team not-cruel but to each their own, i’d just like to see a better balance in the themes

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(Sweats nervously and runs away)

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Ha ha - I was just thinking about your latest story on Kofi when I read the OP. Don’t worry about dis-satisfying me. Plus you do have happy endings in some of your stories too.

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I can see your point. For me it depends on good the story is and to mafisto’s point, if they deserve it. But sometimes I am in a mood for something else too.

I do like happy endings mostly. But I also like sexy and if it turns me on probably more…

Take something like “Evil is Scarier… When it’s human…” by @ThatLook - Great series and def a slow burn of mean, where I found myself consistently rooting for a turn around in favor of the protagonist… Still extremely hot…. But you stick with it and there is a satisfying turn of events.

In all seriousness, for me, this is a safe space to express really evil, corrupt fantasies. Even if I could make my stories real, I doubt I’d find them appealing in real life knowing the negative affects they’d have on real, breathing, living people. But in fantasy…eh…there are so many options for happy endings. Rarely do we actually have a story that ends with the evil guy getting everything they wanted. And so, for me, I don’t mind a bit of that corruption and sociopathy to win.

Hypno, in and of itself, is taking some element of consent away…even if consent to take away consent is given, the mind will still be overwritten and changed in ways the previous consent may not have considered. So at it’s core, it’s not the most moral thing by any means.

All of that said, no yums are being yucked and everyone deserves to have their own preferences. I just prefer a fake sociopath ruining a fake happy family/marriage/life for his own gain when there are literally no real life stakes. And I do consider myself a very empathetic person in real life (I am a nurse, after all lolol). And, well, if you look at the endings from the perspective of the ‘bad guy’, they, at the very least, did actually end up with a happy ending!

I, uh, also admit I could do more happy endings and have said as such to many of my readers…maybe I’ll start working on one :stuck_out_tongue:

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I agree with you all. Thats why I didn’t name specific stories. It may not “float my boat” but it prolly does anothers. I was commenting on the increasing frequency of stories without balance of conscience or a mean undertone. Is it a response to the overwhelming world events or increasing mistrust or catharsis?

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Politics are getting more and more divisive, and that creates a lot of frustration. All that anger may influence the choices, yes. Our fantasies shifting from gently coaxing satisfying scenarios without lasting harm to imposing and forcing people to give us what we need, no matter the impact on them, reflecting the real world. Losing hope in convincing as opposed to imposing.

It’s not a direct mapping, but maybe an emotional one.

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This is certainly not what’s happening here but it makes me think about whenever I see conversations somewhere like tiktok “condemning” kinks they always only look at it from the doms perspective and don’t even stop to comprehend the subs who are into it. They say people who are into x kink are sick twisted and evil and just want to abuse women, and I’m sitting here like, then why do I a queer man want to be on the receiving end of it?

Like not to blow smoke up his ass but Edlam’s probably my fave author on the site (especially since robinhoods retirement.) and frequently, weirdly I enjoy myself more thinking in the place of the “victims.” It hits me right in the intersection of being a mc lover and a horror lover. Frankly I usually think I’m the odd one for feeling this way.

All of that being said, Stroppy, Your totally valid for being uncomfortable with it, and your right in that there seems to be a rise in it. I think it’s almost a subconscious reaction to all the doom and gloom that’s going on in the world right now, kinda like how torture porn horror arose out of 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It’s like, for some of us, if we’re going to be experiencing all this existential dread all the time we might as well make it sexy.

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I mean the kink of mind control is inherently ‘mean’ in itself in that the characters involved lose autonomy and are subjected to act on the whims of the person in control, which is where the eroticism comes from. At least this is the reason why I go to read on this site.

So with that said, its only natural that you’d find a lot of stories where a lot of characters don’t get ‘justice’ or vindication, so I don’t think its any more or less mean than how it was before. When I read these stories I don’t really like putting any morality grades on them as its more about the eroticism of the mind control for me, and if its not giving me that, i just move on to the next story

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Yeah.
It’s often something that’s hard to speak about (broadness, interconnectedness, academicization).

In real life, I’m an obsessive moralist and I often find it baffling how people can be — basically — scum; liars, cheats, bullies, etc., in real life, but also care about the moral content of art, often to the point of actually lobbying for censorship in art.
Like. “OK, you want no violence, no immorality, no sexual abuse in art, but this year alone you have evaded tax, you’ve bullied a work colleague into quitting their job, and you’ve cheated on your wife, all without expressing remorse in any way?”

It’s like some people live their lives as if morality only counts when it’s observed, and so, they can be a bully, or a liar, or a cheat in the privacy of their real existence, but they will — without cognitive dissonance — also lobby for art censorship, or pontificate what morals creatives ought to have in their work in order to be considered decent at their craft, and not dangerous social deviants, or even, suffer prosecution (this has happened historically).

I say, thank god for people who put their bad thoughts into writing / painting / music. It’s like “negative-ju-ju upcycling.”

And then, I say that, but also, pointlessly mean art/stories are not for me unless they’re done extremely well. (LOL). I think writing just plain mean stuff, is harder to “make it art,” since a lot about art is in the exchange between the work and the observer of the work.

It’s like, just constant implausible meanness limits how accomplished a work can be; how likely to be legitimately connected to. Whereas moral greyness, angst, authentic character, can make it easier for the art (whatever it is; story, painting, song) to connect with the human condition, and therefore the observer.
Morally plausible art has a better shot at connecting with you.

…I’ve completely forgotten how this links back to the topic.
presses reply and runs away

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It’s been a while since I’ve engaged but here, I’ll share my perspective.

I wrote stories with happy endings, as my name suggests. I chose to after a particular story started off hot, but then as chapters progressed got increasingly more hopeless and depressing. When I wrote my stories, I kept open a document reminding me of my rules for a happy ending:

  1. The affected people must not have changed orientation.
  2. The affected people must end up in a stable position financially, emotionally, and physically.
  3. The affected people must be able to make the choice whether or not to continue their role in a completely lucid state with no hypnotic influence affecting that choice.
  4. The affected people should have learned something about themselves to embrace, whether it be kink or resolving past issues.

These are just my own rules, but I figure they serve as decent guidelines for what makes a story a “happy ending.” And I think it’s important to have stories that do this, because when a site gets too mean-spirited in theming, it attracts certain people that maybe this site shouldn’t be catering to…

Like users with 88 in their username writing raceplay stories.

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Oops. I missed that one. Who would that be?

Again, I won’t judge because people have their fetishes and I’m sure some would find mine as objectionable as I find theirs but coming from the slums of a “Civilised” country it’s all too real amd personal. I’ve now taken to just passing over any stories with the tags “RACE PLAY”, AI or any button pushers. Now the world is a happy place again.

I don’t get that reference?!

Sent a personal email. I edited out that comment. It never occurred to me that the younger generation didn’t know it and I hate that I introduced it. Words have power and pursuasion.

I confess I’ve written both happy and unhappy endings. We are conditioned by our history of western story structure for the protagonist to overcome the obstacle and quell the bad guy. And with mind-control, that isn’t always the easiest thing to deliver. I feel like every time I deliver a “dark” ending, I upset someone. My novel THE IMPLANT ends bleakly – APOLLYON is another. I initially ended ADDICTED TO STUDD in a really dark place, then went ahead and wrote another chapter because it was too much for even me!

I just think in mind-control stories, one should expect a dark ending.

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